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Why I won’t be boycotting travel to Myanmar

Asia/Oceania, Personal Musings · September 14, 2017

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Myanmar has been in the international news a lot the past couple of weeks, and it hasn’t been for the glorious stupa-dotted landscape of Bagan or the tranquil waters of Inle Lake. It’s been for the religious and ethnic persecution of the Muslim Rohingya minority of Rakhine State by the Burmese army and militia groups, and the response, or lack thereof, on the part of the Myanmar government.

The Rohingya are a Muslim minority that have been living in Rakhine State, part of modern-day Myanmar, for centuries. During British rule (1824-1948), there was a surge in Rohingya migration, labourers coming to Rakhine State from what is today’s India and Bangladesh. The living conditions of the Rohingya, who are mainly concentrated in western Rakhine State, are among the poorest in the world.

Since independence, the situation for the Rohingya has gone from bad to worse, starting with only limited access to identity cards, to legislation that has essentially rendered them stateless. The Burmese army and Buddhist supremacist militia have long sought to eradicate Myanmar of the Rohingya and have been exercising systematic violence akin to war crimes and ethnic cleansing with view to complete genocide.

It is approximated that 1 million Rohingya are currently living in Myanmar, while another one million more have fled to neighboring countries since the 1970s. The latest wave of intense violence started on 25 August 2017, when Rohingya militants belonging to a group called the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (Arsa) attacked police posts in northern Rakhine, resulting in 12 deaths. In retaliation, the Burmese army with the backing of Buddhist militia have launched a “clearance operation” that have razed villages to the ground, and raped and murdered over a thousand civilians – men, women and children. More than 300,000 Rohingya have fled Myanmar in the past three weeks alone.

It is a humanitarian crisis that is being likened to the Srebrenica massacre in Bosnia, and I cannot express enough my complete and unequivocal condemnation of these war crimes, and my utter disappointment in the response of Aung San Suu Kyi and her government. But unlike many who have taken to social media to express their desire to never lay a foot (again) in the country, I am not going to join you in boycotting travel to Myanmar and here’s why.

Table of Contents

  • The violence occurring in Rakhine State is not new
  • Change will only come if we engage
  • Who will benefit from a boycott?
  • The people of Myanmar too want change
  • The fall from grace of Aung San Suu Kyi
  • Where we might end up
    • What's your opinion on the Rohingya crisis and the idea of a travel boycott?

The violence occurring in Rakhine State is not new

While much of the world is just learning of the persecution of the Muslim Rohingya occurring in Rakhine State, it is a situation that has been ongoing for decades. Of course, it is one that categorically and without question must stop. But, I ask you, is boycotting the country outright the solution?

Myanmar has only really opened up to tourism over the past several years, the lack of tourists nor their spending never stopped the slaughter of innocent people before, and unfortunately it won’t now either.

Change will only come if we engage

While a travel boycott may not do much in realistic terms to stem military violence, I know many of you want to make a stand from a moral perspective. I completely understand you, I really do. But as much as I make similar pledges to all kinds of causes, I’m not sure disengaging with an entire country will have the desired effect.

For one, let’s think about how we’ve come to know so much about this issue and others that are going on in Myanmar. It is through increased media access and people like you and I on the ground sharing what we see and hear. Cutting off this flow of information will not make the government or the military more accountable; it will only serve to allow them to fulfill their abhorrent agenda behind closed doors. We need to keep international attention on this and we can only do so through maintaining a dialogue.

Who will benefit from a boycott?

It certainly won’t be the hundreds of thousands of people across the country who rely on tourism for their livelihoods – the family-run guesthouses and restaurants, the guides or the local tour operators. As much as the Myanmar government profits from tourism, they will not be crippled by a boycott; it will be the people of Myanmar who are.

If Myanmar recedes back into its days of isolation, whether because the military quashes the quasi-democracy and reinstates martial law, or the world seeks a travel boycott, we lose the chance to make real change in Myanmar, and we take away the capacity of everyday citizens of the country to engage with the world, have their voices heard and to learn about issues such as human rights.

The people of Myanmar too want change

When we visited Myanmar in May this year, we spoke to many local people who held great hopes for the future. They know Myanmar faces many problems and they didn’t all end in November 2015 with the first democratically elected civilian government in 50 years. But they were riding high on the hope of change and already felt as if their lives were better off open to the world.

Cutting off the country from our tourism is more than just about economics; it’s about saying that Myanmar, and all its people, are on their own. And can we really say in the current state of global politics that the actions of our governments always represent the will of the people?

The fall from grace of Aung San Suu Kyi

One of the biggest stories coming out of Myanmar is not just of the atrocities in Rakhine State, but the response of the government to the military violence. State Counsellor, Foreign Affairs Minister and national figurehead Aung San Suu Kyi’s lack of condemnation of the military’s actions there, and blaming of Rohingya “terrorists”, has led to a public outcry and calls for her Nobel Peace Prize to be revoked. Her silence has been a slap in the face to those who fought so long and hard for her release from house arrest and a complete turnaround on the principles of human rights she has built her platform on, and it makes me fear for the country’s future.

Myanmar’s peace is volatile, and despite her lack of absolute power, I feel like Aung San Suu Kyi was a point of social cohesion. In a country full of ethnic tension, she was the one thing most people could agree on. Traveling around Myanmar, many people were happy to talk openly about politics and they beamed to know we had heard about “The Lady”. Even the mention of her name instilled a sense of pride. Wasn’t she supposed to be different?

Of course, we have no idea what might be going on behind the scenes or what kind of threats may have been made against her. Instead of a democratically elected leader, Aung San Suu Kyi has become more of a puppet to the military regime her party supposedly overthrew, and it seems highly likely that someone is pulling those strings. Yet her lack of condemnation, at the very least, hasn’t sat well with those who placed such faith in her as the moral compass Myanmar’s leadership so desperately needed.

Without Aung San Suu Kyi in the hearts of the people, where does that leave a country emerging into the global spotlight after decades of isolation and in a state of such political fragility?

I have read reports, however, and I’d love to hear from the people of Myanmar about this, that the persecution of the Rohingya has actually been a rallying point for the nation. That the ethnic Burmese majority is, in fact, largely in support of the military’s actions towards the Rohingya and Aung San Suu Kyi’s response. If this is indeed true, then maintaining contact with the people of Myanmar has never been more vital.

Where we might end up

What many tourists don’t know is that the Rohingya are not the only minority to be persecuted by the Burmese military. There are civil conflicts going on in various regions and some ceasefires only dangle by a thread. And while the Rohingya crisis requires urgent action, if we truly stand for human rights, the very rights we so vocally want to claim for the Rohingya, then we can’t be selective about which segments of the Myanmar populace are deserving of them. Saying ‘Screw Myanmar!’ because of military, Buddhist militia and government actions may send Myanmar back to the days of full-on military dictatorship and into a phase of ethnic and religious conflict that will set the country back decades.

While I don’t think boycotting tourism to the nation outright is a solution, I do believe we can use our tourist dollars in more strategic ways that don't threaten the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands and cutting Myanmar off from the world again. Our visits should focus on veering as much of our spending away from government hands and into locally-run businesses, and keeping an open dialogue with the people of Myanmar, sending a clear message to those inciting violence that the world is watching, and assuring those trying to fight it that we are fighting right there along with them.

What's your opinion on the Rohingya crisis and the idea of a travel boycott?

For those interested in further reading about travel boycotts, I recommend this post by World Nomads, Controversial Destinations: To Boycott or Not?

I welcome discussion in the comments, however, please keep the conversation civil. Any comments deemed to go against the constructive community space we have created here, will be deleted.

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Jessica Korteman

Jessica Korteman is an Australian travel writer, based in Tokyo, Japan. Never without a pen and paper, you'll most often find her delving into the world of festivals and culture.

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  1. Nimora Kyi says

    July 31, 2019 at 5:12 pm

    I came across this blog by accident and spent much time on reading Comments as well: most of which are full of hatred. While the media and whole world is trumpetting only on the Rohingya issue, other Burmese people are suffering in somewhere esle too. Political situation in Myanmar is way complicated where many ethnic groups have been fighting against Myanmar government since her independence from British colony. Aung Sann Suu Kyi governemnt is facing the hardest challenge ever in the History and of course She simply cannot sort out all of those problems under her Magic Wand during her short term in office.
    Military Government could manage to survive for years while the whole world and UN imposed Sanction. As long as China and Russia are at the back of Myanmar government, Boycotting simply won’t work and it will even lead to worst.
    The whole world should see the feeling and hopes of ordinary Myanmar citizens too, as you do.

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  2. Calvin Pei says

    November 8, 2018 at 10:44 pm

    The people of Myanmar need to learn the difference between fiction and facts. The threat of false information (I refuse to call it “fake news” because it’s attached to Trump) has infiltrated this country. It was a major contributing factor to the genocide. It was no different than the radio announcer in Rwanda telling listeners to kill Tutsi. For this and other reasons, I cannot visit a country with people ignorant to the truth. Technology is a threat when people don’t know how to use it. I’m sure they’re lovely people, but what’s to stop the military from considering an outsider, like me, to be a threat? If the military are capable of horrific acts to people, why would I want to take a chance? I will not visit that country that is controlled by the military. The military is accountable to no one, and they have all the guns.

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  3. Jonathan says

    August 22, 2018 at 1:50 am

    I will be traveling to Southeast Asia in 2 weeks, in an effort to find a role for me that aids the Rohingya. I am looking to learn more and more about this crisis, but am weary to travel to Myanmar, knowing my dollars could very well fund those who are slaughtering people, raping women, burning children… I do, however, want to visit the refugee camps in Cox’s Bazar, to get a more in-depth look at the current situation/problems they are facing. Does anyone know how I might be able to get into the refugee camps? I’m having a difficult time with this.

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  4. Kosal says

    March 19, 2018 at 9:32 pm

    I have been to Myanmar many times now. And it has been wonderful every time. I have witnessed the change from a military dictatorship to a more democatic society. Many facets of life is still controlled by the military and the government has no real influence on that. So it is dubious to say the least to blame the Lady for ot openly speaking out. Anyone who takes the time to study this transition will grasp that. By the way, the Lady (Daw means lady or madam in Myanmar language) was for decades the way the people referred to Aung San Suu Kyi as it was dangerous to openly talk about her. So it has nothing to do with ‘her pride’!
    Apart from the military intervention one has to understand the background of the Rohingya problem too. The bulk of it is illegal immigration from Bangladesh and as there were already so many problems in the country due to groups fighting for independency (caused by the promisses by and bad intentions of British) that went on for decades.
    I do not agree with or condone the violence, but we have to understand backgrounds before taking a standpoint.
    There is more than meets the eye here.
    In any case I love the people and their Buddhist ways of living.

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  5. veoux jp says

    November 24, 2017 at 3:19 am

    May I join your dreams?
    If the Rohingas are not from the place where they are persecuted for decades and should get out, why the Burmese will not have to withdraw in there state (between tangoo and mandalay) and let ALL others minorities have their own countries and independence? That is what they deserve after more than 50 years during which the Burmese people were unable to fix their problems with their army. Why should they just look back from independence? Let’s check history as a hole! Not just like they wish!
    That’s my dream. That the Burmese move back to the place they belong to. Not only the Burmese soldiers, but also their teachers and business men and give back the land to the minorities that were first.
    I love this country. But my love go to the weakest. This is the voice of my heart. I cry when I read news. I can go there again soon. But I don’t want to cry for 1 month.
    The chiefs of this army are so powerful now that whatever tourists do will not change anything.
    You want to change the world? Then first try to change yourself.
    These tyrannic people are the one that I have the most pity. They have small (if any) idea of what is life.
    The soldiers that rape and kill the children, who do you think they are? They can be the one that have been stolen to their parents by the army when they were child. They are not able to understand what they do.
    Judging is the best way to miss understanding. Boycotting or not boycotting is judging so be careful.
    If you are brave enough (what I am not) go there. But please kill a dictator for me. It will be very good for your Karma…

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  6. Sasboy says

    November 21, 2017 at 7:59 am

    Avoid Myanmar like the plague as long as it abuses the Rohingya.

    Reply
  7. Matias says

    November 14, 2017 at 1:08 am

    Your reasoning for not boycotting Myanmar is wrong. Myanmar is a completely different country now than when the previous boycott was in effect. It has seen the benefits of international tourism and being an accepted member of the international community, which it did not see before. I has seen the millions of dollars that tourists bring each year, and it has seen the hope of democracy. A boycott now would show Myanmar exactly that these things are not unconditional. Murder, rape, crimes against humanity, ethnic cleansing should not be accepted by the international community. By going there as a tourist you’re telling the governmennt it’s fine what they’re doing, no reason to not visit the country for pleasure as usual. If you care about human rights, now is exactly the time to take a very strong stand against Myanmar, by boycotting them and letting others know as well, especially the Burmese.

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  8. sustainabilitea says

    November 4, 2017 at 7:19 am

    I’ve never been to Myanmar and will likely never get there, but I was unaware of what was going on there. Thanks for helping me learn more about the situation. No easy solutions to this sort of situation!

    janet

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  9. Queen says

    October 26, 2017 at 4:07 pm

    Am I supposed to go to the beach, visit the markets and temples while people are getting killed few miles away?

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  10. James says

    October 6, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    I work on the front line of this emergency in Bangladesh – when you’ve met a baby that had her head set on fire, listened to a 13 year tell you she was gang raped by members of the Myanmar military who had just killed her parents, and see child after child suffering from severe acute malnutrition you feel differently. I’m sure you’d feel differently too after hearing horror story after horror story for over a month. From where I am based on days this week – we could see smoke rising again from Myanmar and people are still crossing into Bangladesh. The violence has not stopped. The whole world should be boycotting Myanmar right now, not just tourists.

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  11. KittyKat says

    September 19, 2017 at 2:40 pm

    Woe to your ignorance. Women and children are being killed and raped as I write this– simply because they are part of a (muslim) minority in Myanmar. If and when you visit Myanmar, you will pay taxes which support the military junta which perpetrates this violence. De facto, your money is supporting rape and murder. There is no simple way around this fact. There is blood on your hands by spending money. You have a choice, but you’re just choosing to believe your money (coupled with wishful thinking) will somehow change the fact of this genocide. In developmental psychology we call this “magical thinking.” It typifies the thinking of small children.

    Here is one of your respondents: “They probably are the illegal immigrants who seek place to live and survive… But the current crisis in Myanmar is purely a terrorism and we cannot let Terrorists inhumane act. ” Here we have
    a mash-up of Trump and Bush’s Neo-Cons. Now, do you see how the rhetoric of Bush’s pre-emptive War on Terror is being replicated across the globe, now to condone genocide? The first step in committing genocide? Make the minority group into sub-humans (illegal immigrants, terrorists). Read the history of the genocide in Rwanda for details.

    Now, while I recognize your well-intentioned pleas, based in a lot of faulty assumptions about how nations change their behaviors, let’s have a reality check. Anyone can write twenty-paragraph justifications of the “good people of Myanmar.” Let’s imagine an American in the 1930s doing business with the “wonderful Germans.” Oh, right, western nations did that. American companies supported the Nazi regime. 6 million Jews lost their lives. And it is a woeful stain on America.

    Boycotts are the only way to change the behaviors of large multinational corporations and nation-states alike. Look at every successful nonviolent campaign, from the Dolphin-Safe Tuna campaigns of the 90s to Gandhi’s nonviolent boycott of services taxed by the British in India. By your logic, we’d be “hurting the nice people in Myanmar by not giving them our valuable Dollars or Euros. This illustrates a major failing of progressive neo-liberal thinking: A) We are going to “help” the world by our money, our tourism, our “development. and B) We have no moral standing to judge the behaviors of others.

    Someday you will understand these factors are precisely why the American experiment and its western vassal-states are fast becoming so reviled throughout the world.

    If for one hour the U.S. were to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the Rohingya Muslim population of Myanmar, CAN YOU IMAGINE the good-will that this would engender throughout the Muslim world? Surely a progressively-minded young woman like yourself can see the possibility. But no, you’d rather “play nice” and not offend anyone. If you stand for nothing you fall for anything. I’m sorry to inform you (and anyone reading this pathetic blog) you’ve fallen for absolutely uninformed, sophomoric tripe. Grow a spine. And for God’s sake, think of the women and children being tortured and dying en masse. The only way to reason with dictators and tyrants is to hit them where they can feel it — in their pocketbooks. Everything else is wishful thinking… Good luck

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    • Jessica - Notes of Nomads says

      September 24, 2017 at 7:20 pm

      KittyKat, if I thought for a second that a boycott would end this, I would wholeheartedly advocate it. If only it were that easy. It’s true that money for your visa goes to the government. There is no denying that and I have discussed that issue before.

      However, if you think that tourism money is what is fueling this and all the other ethnic conflicts around Myanmar, you are mistaken. What about all the other nations who are supplying weapons and artillery to Myanmar? Are you boycotting those too? What about all the drug money that is known to be funding Myanmar’s civil conflicts? It’s no small sum; Myanmar is only second to Afghanistan in terms of the world’s opium production.

      I do not believe boycotting tourism, and with it any ability to influence from the inside, will cripple the government or military in any way. As long as they are getting supplies from governments of the world and other sources of income, this will not change. I fear that Myanmar will simply start to look inwards again, and again these things will continue to be carried out like they have for decades, only now that the world is finally waking up to them, that the media will be shut out and the people (and I do recognize that a lot of them have opinions on this, like the commenter below, that we cannot reconcile) will once again not have access to differing points of view. If many are already so brainwashed/blinded by their leadership into thinking this is what is “right” or “justified”, what on Earth will happen if they are no longer seeing the outrage from the outside world?

      You’re right, this approach is not fast enough. The problem is, a travel boycott won’t change things any faster either. Nothing is fast enough to save these innocent people from slaughter and persecution, and I understand the complete sense of outrage you feel. I want the same things you do: for this to stop as soon as possible and indefinitely. That is why I cannot understand your personal attacks on my intelligence and “pathetic blog”. I have educated myself more on responsible travel and the historical context of Myanmar than the average person, believe me. I will not apologize for brainstorming alternate ways to addressing this conflict (nor my humanity) so as we might find an approach that helps solve this crisis as soon as possible. I continue to read about other people’s perspectives on this and my position will always be whatever I feel will resolve this crisis as quickly and with the least loss of human life as possible.

      I am not against anyone who feels a travel boycott is the way to go. I support people’s personal stance on that. And if there is evidence that a travel boycott will be an influencing factor, I will gladly join it. At this moment, I do not see how a travel boycott will bring about a swifter end to this.

      I also call your attention to end of the article in which I specifically call on commenters to maintain their civility in the comments. I will not tolerate personal attacks; please keep any future comments constructive and to the issues at hand.

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  12. Zar Ni says

    September 14, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    Dear Jessica,
    Insightful and showed so much concerns to so called Rohingya. Myanmar is not against the minorities. We have freedom in Religion and religious beliefs as long as you don’t offend to other religion and the communities. Religious tension between communities happened long ago. We cannot take side. I think in every countries it will be the same. We cannot say all the bengalis who fled during these days belong to Myanmar. They probably are the illegal immigrants who seek place to live and survive. Moreover, International organizations and many people from all over the world show concern only to the so called Rohingya. You can take side who you think are vulnerable. But This is a huge misguiding to those who live peacefully together long ago. For us, we come from a family who has different religious beliefs. We respect other religions and the views. We will not fight or side when concern with religion as this is only the belief and no one sees God in person in this life. But the current crisis in Myanmar is purely a terrorism and we cannot let Terrorists inhumane act. Each country has it’s own immigration law and our imminent leader is trying hard for the sake of over 50 Millions people. Weakness in rule of law which is still on going process to correct them. Please have sympathy to 50 Millions population. Thank you.

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    • Jessica - Notes of Nomads says

      September 24, 2017 at 6:15 pm

      Hello Zar, thank you for commenting. You may believe you have freedom of and respect for (any) religion in your country, however, your comment shows that you do not have respect for Muslim Rohingya, and the actions of your government and military also show the same. The very usage of the term “so-called” indicates that you do not recognize them as an ethnic group, and as an extension of that, people. Sure, some may be in your country “illegally” but this is not an issue of immigration policy; it is about human rights. You say, “They probably are the illegal immigrants who seek place to live and survive.” You have just described a refugee. And every person on this planet has the right to seek refuge and have their claims duly processed. But instead your government strips them of any rights, or access to paperwork that can prove their legitimate claim for citizenship, for those who have actually been living in Myanmar for generations. There are no “two sides” when it comes to ethnic cleansing. You cannot claim to support diversity in your country, but persecute those who aren’t Buddhist Burmese. Answer me this, how does giving someone else basic human rights, in any way threaten yours?

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  13. Les Petits Pas de Juls says

    September 14, 2017 at 4:59 pm

    I was about to write to you and ask for your point of view on the subject. not necessarily on boycotting travel to Myanmar, as I was not aware of the proposition, but on traveling to Myanmar right now at all. The trip I will take part in next November is with an organized tour and I cannot change anything. I’m not the one who chose the travel agency and, even though I know they might not work completely local, there’s not much I can do… We will travel with a local guide who speaks French and I hope to be able to have deep conversations and insight on the situation and the feeling of the people while we’re there discovering the country.

    Like you, I don’t believe that boycotting traveling to a country actually could change a situation such as this one. As you mention, the persecution of the Rohingya has been going on for years and no-one was even aware of it until much recently; that is the main shame that we should feel about. Media coverage always choose “the story that sells most” and none of the current media is independent and neutral enough as to provide us with the truth of what’s happening everywhere in the world.

    I hope by going to Myanmar soon to not be contributing in too many government-controlled/owned enterprises (unfortunately, I’m pretty sure the agency might not have chosen only local partners) and that I will be able to make the difference between the former and the latter.

    I will be reading your posts and watching your videos again in order to get better informed of what’s to come.

    Thank you always for your insight, for being tactful in your comments, for choosing what’s right for everyone and always trying to make this world a better place.

    Jul’

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    • Jessica Korteman says

      September 15, 2017 at 12:35 am

      Thank you for such a thoughtful and kind comment, Jul’. You are exactly the kind of conscientious traveler who can make a real difference, especially at a critical time like this.

      Unfortunately, it is hard to distinguish between hotels and restaurants and so on that are government owned and those which are not. You really have to do your research and this information isn’t always easy to find. Some establishments also have connections with the military, which you are unlikely to know about unless it is well documented or if someone tells you. Even the most responsible travelers who have tried to do their research, can inadvertently support such enterprises.

      I know that in your case you can’t change the arrangements that have been made for you. But you can make positive change in a whole range of ways. In addition to garnering lots of insight and creating dialogue with the locals you meet, if you find that the businesses you are engaging with aren’t independently or community run, you can use the opportunity to explain to the guide/tour organizer why this is important. If they can understand that there is demand for responsible tourism and that, in fact, this is what tourists want to see when they book a tour, they may be more inclined to make better choices for future tour groups. Community-based tourism is a small but growing trend in Myanmar, and if we make it clear this is what we want to see more of, then hopefully more tour providers will follow suit.

      With all the amazing work you do for a plastic free environment, you can also educate people on an environmental front. This doesn’t assist with the Rohingya crisis per se, but it is another way to have positive impact. Myanmar loves their plastic straws. Knowledge that alternatives exist can only be positive in bringing about more environmental awareness.

      I know that you will do your very best to create as much positive impact as possible. Your tour group will be lucky to have you. Wishing you a very fruitful and rewarding trip.

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      • Les Petits Pas de Juls says

        September 16, 2017 at 9:03 pm

        I will do my best. You’re right in stating that every traveler’s spirit can have repercutions on how others may travel. We have to tell the travel agent what we feel like about alternative local partners that truly support the local economy and help the people instead of helping already greedy firms and governments.

        As long as we can do something, even though a little and on a smaller scale, we’re showing why we visit the country and the people and what is most appreciated.

        I hope I can put another stone in the path of awareness by sharing your article and making my thoughts known – if and when needed – when we are in Myanmar.

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  14. Browsing the Atlas says

    September 14, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    I appreciate your point-of-view, Jessica. It’s so easy to make knee-jerk responses that may not ultimately have the effect we think it will. More thought often needs to go into boycotting places and products and the sometimes unexpected outcomes (loss of jobs, income, etc.) that may result.

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    • Jessica Korteman says

      September 14, 2017 at 11:46 pm

      Thank you, Julie. Whatever each individual decides to do about traveling to Myanmar, I do hope that this post gives some food for thought about how we might be able to most effectively enact change.

      Reply

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